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Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup: C.P. Addition: Sir Robert Goushill, Knt.
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  • Richardson, Douglas, "Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup: C.P. Addition: Sir Robert Goushill, Knt." (soc.genealogy.medieval, Mar 29, Apr 1, Aug 13, 2015).
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  • Author: Richardson, Douglas
  • Publisher: soc.genealogy.medieval, Mar 29, Apr 1, Aug 13, 2015
Source Note
January 28, 2014

Wrottesley, Pedigrees from the Plea Rolls (1905): 250 gives an abstract of a lawsuit dated Michaelmas term 8 Henry IV [i.e., 1406], whereby Joan Gousehill, and Elizabeth and Joyce her sisters, sued their uncle, Nicholas, son of Nicholas Gousehill, Knt., for the manors of Barleburgh [Barlborough] and Kynwalmersh [Killamarsh], Derbyshire, and other lands, "which they claimed as daughters and heirs of Robert de Gousehille."

Wrottesley's abstract may be viewed at the following weblink:

https://archive.org/stream/pedigreesfromple00wrotrich#page/250/mode/2up

Wrottesley cites as his source De Banco. Mich. 8. Hen. 4. m. 413. This lawsuit is available online on the helpful website, Anglo American Legal Tradition. It may be viewed at the following weblinks in the records of the Court of Common Pleas:

http://aalt.law.uh.edu/H4/CP40no583/aCP40no583fronts/IMG_0841.htm
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/H4/CP40no583/aCP40no583fronts/IMG_0842.htm

The other lands named in the lawsuit are ten librates and two shillings rent of a mediety of the park of Whitwell and a fourth part of the mill in Whitwell and Cresswell, Derbyshire.

Elsewhere Lysons & Lysons, Magna Britannia 5 (1817): 286 gives some information regarding the moiety interest of the Goushill family in the manor of Whitwell, Derbyshire:

"Robert de Meynell, Lord of Whitwell was one of the early benefactors to Welbeck-Abbey. The heiress of Meynell married Hathersage, and the co-heiresses of Hathersage, Goushill and Longford, who held the Whitwell estate in moieties. Nicholas de Longford, who was one of the representatives of Meynell held a manor in Whitwell, in the reign of Edward II., under the Stotevilles. The manor continued in the Longford family in the reign of Henry VIII. It passed with Goushill's moiety to the Pipes or Pypes, and was sold by Humphrey Pipe, Esq., in 1593, to John Manners above mentioned. The Gousehill family had a part at Whitwell in 1330."
Source Note
Mar 29, 2015

In a previous post, I presented evidence that Sir Robert Goushill [died 1403], third husband of Elizabeth Arundel, Duchess of Norfolk, himself had a hitherto unknown first marriage.

I posted evidence that Sir Robert Goushill married (1st) before 12 Dec. 1399 Joan _____, widow of Ralph de Bracebridge (or Bracebrugge), Knt. (died 20 October 1395), of Kingsbury, Cheylesmore, and Plumpton, Warwickshire.

Since my original post, I recently located a Common Pleas lawsuit which further narrows that date of the marriage of Sir Robert Goushill and Joan (_____) Bracebridge. The lawsuit is dated 1397. A brief abstract is presented below.

In 1397 Robert de Goushull and his wife, Joan, sued Roger Onewyn, of Walsall, Staffordshire regarding a debt of five marks. [Reference: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/544, image 7f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT4/R2/CP40no544/aCP40no544fronts/IMG_0007.htm)].

In summary, the lawsuit indicates that Sir Robert de Goushill and his first wife, Joan, were married before 1397.
Source Note
Apr 1, 2015

In a previous post, I discussed the immediate family of Sir Robert Goushill [died 1403], 3rd husband of Elizabeth Arundel, Duchess of Arundel. ***

Specifically, I pointed out evidence that Sir Robert Goushill's parents were Sir Nicholas de Goushill, of Hoveringham, Nottinghamshire [died 1393], and his wife, Joan, who are named together in a record dated 1367.

Since my original post, I recently located a Common Pleas lawsuit which indicates that Joan, wife of Sir Nicholas de Goushill, survived him and was living as late as 1397. A brief abstract of the lawsuit is given below.

In 1397 Joan widow of Nicholas de Goushill, Knt. sued Nicholas son of Nicholas de Goushill, Knt. in the Court of Common Pleas in a plea of dower [see Court of Common Pleas, CP40/544, image 17f, available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT4/R2/CP40no544/aCP40no544fronts/IMG_0017.htm].

*** I inadvertedly referred to Sir Robert Goushill's wife, Elizabeth Arundel, as Duchess of Arundel. I meant to say Duchess of Norfolk. Mea culpa.

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Partial copy of previous post:

A modern biography of Sir Robert Goushill's younger brother, Sir Nicholas Goushill (died 1402), is found on the History of Parliament website. It may be viewed at the following weblink:

http://www.histparl.ac.uk/volume/1386-1421/member/goushill-sir-nicholas-1402

The biography of Sir Nicholas Goushill mentions his brother, Sir Robert Goushill, and their father, Sir Nicholas Goushill the elder [died 1393]. No mention is made, however, of the name of the wife of Sir Nicholas Goushill the elder.

Recently I came across a record in the A2A Catalogue which proves that the elder Sir Nicholas Goushill [died 1393] was married to a woman named Joan. This record may be viewed at the following weblink:

http://nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/records.aspx?cat=055-ddk_3&cid=1-5-10-1#1-5-10-1

Lancashire Record Office: Stanley, Earls of Derby (of Knowsley), DDK/1404/22
"Thomas de Goushill, Knight, to Nicholas de Goushill, Knight, his son and Joan his wife. DDK/1404/22 41 Edward III., A.D. 1367

Lease for his life of the Manor of Hoveringham and all his lands and the ferry between Hoveryngham and Knyveton with the weir of Schakurdale and free fishing in the Trent." END OF QUOTE.

I don't currently know the family name of Joan, wife of Sir Nicholas de Goushill the elder. However, I might note that Sir Robert Goushill's grandson, Sir William Stanley, K.G. [died 1495], of Holt, Denbighshire referred to Peter Warburton, of Arley, Cheshire in an undated letter as his "cousin" [see Croston, County Families of Lancashire and Cheshire (1887): 225-227]. Peter Warburton's paternal grandmother was a member of the Brailesford family of Derbyshire. Quite possibly the link between the two families is through the Brailesford family and Sir Robert Goushill's mother, Joan.
Source Note
Aug 13, 2015

Last year I posted a reference to a Common Pleas lawsuit dated 1406 involving Joan, Elizabeth, and Joyce Goushill, the daughters and co-heirs of Robert Goushill, Knt., of Hoveringham, Nottinghamshire, by Elizabeth, daughter of Richard de Arundel, K.G., Earl of Arundel and Surrey. The lawsuit indicated that the three female Goushill co-heirs sued their minor cousin, Nicholas son of Nicholas de Goushill, Knt., regarding the manors of Barlborough and Killamarsh, Derbyshire.

Recently I located an earlier Common Pleas record dated Michaelmas term 1405, which shows that the lawsuit in question had been commenced by that date. Here is a weblink to the earlier record:

Court of Common Pleas, CP40/579, image 1836d (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/H4/CP40no579/bCP40no579dorses/IMG_1836.htm).

As far as I know, these two Common Pleas records are the only evidence that Sir Robert Goushill, Knt., was survived by a third daughter, Joyce Goushill.

One last comment: In my post last year, I stated that the three Goushill co-heirs sued their uncle, Sir Nicholas Goushill, rather than his minor son, also named Nicholas Goushill. Roskell shows that the uncle died in 1402. As such, the defendant in this lawsuit must be the younger Nicholas Goushill.
Source Note
Aug 13, 2015

reply from Ken Roth

From the British History online website entry for Hoveringham, It shows that a Thomas Goushill died in 1375, with his son and heir, Nicholas aged 60+ (born 1315 or before) It then shows Nicholas (b 1315 or before) dying in 7 Henry IV. I don't have access to that IPM online, but it sounds like it should be 5 Henry IV, if it is the Nicholas listed below. My question is if there is a generation missing. The Nicholas that died 1403 with an 11+ year old son named Nicholas can't be the same man that was born in 1315 or so, as he would be 80 or so when the 11+ year old was born. Can someone help locate the missing generation, or give a correct pedigree from Nicholas (died 1403) back?
Thanks for any help.

At http://www.history.ac.uk/cipm-18-part-x, I found the following:

NICHOLAS GOUSHILL, KNIGHT

1009

ex officio

Long before his death he gave all his lands in Killamarsh by charter to Henry Shirley, parson of Barlborough. They are held of Nicholas de Longeford, knight, as parcel of the manor of Killamarsh, service unknown. Nicholas holds of the king of the honour of Peverel by the service of finding a horse, value 5s., and a sack with a goad (unum saccum cum uno stimulo) for 40 days with the king’s army for war in Wales. He died on 21 July last. [Subscribed] No reason for seisin (Non habet causa seisine).

E 149/83, no. 6

At http://www.history.ac.uk/cipm-18-part-ix, the IPM's from 16 different counties are shown, with the majority of his lands help thru his wife Elizabeth Fitzalan.

At http://www.history.ac.uk/cipm-19-part-i, I found the following:

NICHOLAS GOUXHILL, KNIGHT

11

Writ 28 Aug. 1405.

DERBY. Inquisition. Pleasley 23 Oct

He held half the vill of Killamarsh in his demesne as of fee of the king in chief of the honour of Peverel by knight service, annual value 10 marks. He also held the manor of Barlborough in his demesne as of fee of other than the king, but of whom is unknown, annual value 20 marks. He died on 21 July 1403. Nicholas his son and heir is aged 11 years and more. Robert de Leghe, knight, and Margaret his wife have occupied, and still occupy, the half of Killamarsh, and take the profits, title unknown. Elizabeth widow of Philip de Dercy, knight, and Robert de Legh and Margaret have held Barlborough since his death, title also unknown.

C 137/52, no.7
Source Note
Aug 14, 2015

Reply from Geoff Vowles

Nicholas d 1402/3 was the son of Nicholas who d 1393. See their Houses of Parliament entries

http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/goushill-sir-nicholas-1402

best wishes

Geoff
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  • Text: January 27, 2014

    ...

    Next, I've seen it claimed in print in more than one place that Sir Robert Goushill had an earlier marriage before he married in 1401 Elizabeth Arundel, Duchess of Norfolk. After checking various records, I've determined that Sir Robert Goushill in fact married (1st) before 12 Dec. 1399 Joan _____, widow of Ralph de Bracebridge (or Bracebrugge), Knt. (died 20 October 1395), of Kingsbury, Cheylesmore, and Plumpton, Warwickshire. They had no issue. His wife, Joan, died in 1400.

    See the following sources for information on this marriage: Collections for a Hist. of Staffordshire 15 (1894): 17; VCH Warwick 4 (1947): 100-114; Cal. IPM 18 (1987): 103; Kingsbury, Kingsbury Hall (2005): 16; National Archives, C 137/6/32 (inq.p.m. of Joan, widow of Ralph Bracebrugg).
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PersonClaimDetailEvidence
Elizabeth de Arundell Dutchess of NorfolkNameElizabeth de Arundel [S3205] [S3206]
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Elizabeth GoushillNameElizabeth Goushill [S1530:15A] [S3205] [S3206] [S3218:368]
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JoanNameJoan [S3205]
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Sir Richard fitz Alan, 10th Earl of ArundelNameRichard de Arundel [S3205]
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Robert Goushill of HoveringhamNameRobert Goushill of Hoveringham [S756] [S775:246] [S925] [S3205] [S3206]
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Thomas de GoushillNameThomas de Goushill [S3205] [S3206:61]
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Relationships
PersonClaimDetailEvidence
Robert Goushill of HoveringhamFatherNicolas de Goushull (~1315-1393) [S3205]
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Robert Goushill of HoveringhamMotherJoan (e1317-) [S3205]
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Elizabeth de Arundell Dutchess of NorfolkFatherSir Richard fitz Alan, 10th Earl of Arundel (1346-1397) [S756] [S775:246] [S925] [S3204:65] [S3205] [S3206] [S3222:79]
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Nicolas de GoushullFatherThomas de Goushill (~1295-1375) [S3205] [S3206:61]
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Elizabeth GoushillFatherRobert Goushill of Hoveringham (e1349-<1403) [S3204:65] [S3205] [S3206] [S3222:79]
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Events & Attributes
PersonClaimDateDetailAgeEvidence
Nicolas de GoushullBirthabt 1315England [S3205]
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Nicolas de GoushullLiving1316 [S3205] [S3206:61]
above 60 in 1375
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Nicolas de GoushullFlourished1375 [S3205]
above 60 at his father IPM
60y
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Thomas de GoushillDeath1375 [S3205] [S3206:61]
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Nicolas de GoushullDeath1393 [S3205] [S3206:61]
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Robert Goushill of HoveringhamMarriage 1stbef 1397 [S3205]
Joan
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JoanLiving1397 [S3205]
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Robert Goushill of HoveringhamDeath1403 [S3205]
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Nicolas de GoushullMarriageJoan [S3205]
before 1367
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