Herbert de Vermandois II, Count of Vermandois and Troyes

Commentary

Charles Cawley: 'Heribert II, Count of Vermandois is probably the son of Heribert I, Count of Vermandois. There is no direct contemporary evidence to support this claim, however it seems likely because Heribert II, is found in possession of Soissons and Vermandois the lands which were previously held by Heribert I. There is an onamastic connection as well. In the Flodoard Annales, Heribert II is said to have had a cousin (consobrinus) named Bernard ["..., et Heribertus comes Bernardum, consobrinum suum, cum aliis legatis consilium quod per illos agebatur, ut fertur, ignorantibus, ad Karolum dirigit."]. Heribert I had a brother named Bernard also. Another somewhat confusing source for this connection is an eleventh century Angevin genealogical table, in which Adèle de Troyes, wife of count Geoffroy Grisegonelle of Anjou, is called a daughter of Robert, son of Heribert, who was in turn son of another Heribert. Unfortunately, there is a serious error which undermines this source. A note accompanying Heribert I states that he was the captor of king Charles the Simple, which is not correct. It was his son Heribert II who was the captor. Since Heribert II had a son named Heribert, the exact nature of this mistake is not clear. Was Robert assigned as a son of his brother, or was the note describing which Heribert captured Charles incorrect.

Heribert's mother is not known. In the Historia Walciodorensis Monasterii a claim made that his mother was Berte. The Historia Walciodorensis Monasterii is a legendary account of the founder of Waulsort monastery, Ybert de Ribemont (Eilbertus, Elbertus), which makes him the brother of Heribert II. Eilbertus and comes Heribertus de Sancto Quintino are listed among the seven supposed sons of Ebroinus by his wife Berta, who brought Florennes to her husband as the daughter of Widricus and Eva. ["... Eius itaque pater comes Ebroinus fuit, vir armis strenuus. Hic armis strenuus et omni honestate preclarus. Iste igitur Ebroinus industria sua et virtute multa acquirens, filiam Wederici comitis et eius uxoris Evae, quae in nominis agnitione Berta nuncupabatur, sumpsit in coniugum, accipiens cum ea, dante ipso genitore atque genetrice, Florinas et quicquid ad eundem pagum Florinensem pertinet. ... Iste autem Ebroinus ex prefati comitis Wederici et eius uxoris Evae filia, quae, ut superius prefati sumus, Berta dicebatur, septem habuit filios, qui terram longe lateque post decessionem patris tenuerunt hereditario iure et sibi prudentia sua multa acquisierunt. ... Primus itaque in ordine generationis come Eilbertus fuit, maior et natu et dignitate, secundus post hunc comes Uddo de Roix, deinde comes Heribertus de Sancto Quintino, Gerardus de Odenarde, comes Boso, comes Witerus et Macuardus venerabilis episcopus. ... Igitur anno ab incarnatione Domini nongentisimo vicesimo secundo Karolus rex Francorum captus ab Eilberto et fratre eius Heriberto usque ad Pernam et ab eisdem sub vinculis carceralis custodiae ibidem diebus multis religatur. ..."]'.

Family

Claim	Detail	Evidence
Father	Herbert de Vermandois I, Count de Vermandois (~840-~907) [S756] [S2722] [S2727]	research
Spouse 1st	Liegarde of France (e887-)
Child +	Adela de Vermandois (~915-960) [S756] [S3164]	research
Child +	Robert de Vermandois, Count of Meaux and Troyes (~920-~968) [S756] [S2722]	research
Child +	Albert I, Count of Vermandois (~920-987) [S756] [S918]	research
Child +	Luitgarde de Vermandois (<925-) [S756] [S916] [S2722]	research

Attributes

Claim	Detail	Evidence
Gender	Male
Name	Herbert de Vermandois II, Count of Vermandois and Troyes [S756]	research
Name	Heribert II, Count of Meaux [S1352]	research
Name	Heribert II, Comte de Vermandois [S916] [S918] [S2727]	research
Name	Heribert II, Comte de Vienne [S2722]	research
Father	Herbert de Vermandois I, Count de Vermandois (~840-~907) [S756] [S2722] [S2727]	research
Title	Count of Troyes [S756]	research

Timeline

Claim	Date	Detail	Evidence
Birth	abt 880	France [S2722] [S2727]	research
Birth	880 - 890	France [S756]	research
Title	900 - 907	Count of Vermandois [S756] [S918] [S2722] succeeded his father	research
Title	900 - 907	Count of Meaux [S2722] succeeded his father	research
Title	900 - 907	Count of Soissons [S2722] succeeded his father	research
Marriage 1st	bef May 21, 907	Liegarde of France (e887-) [S2722] [S2727]	research
Death	Feb 23, 943	St. Quentin, France [S756] [S2722] [S2727]	research

Sources

Index	Title
[S756]	Weis, Frederick Lewis, "Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists Who Came To New England before 1700, 7th Ed." (Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, 1999).
[S916]	Cawley, Charles, "Foundation of Medieval Genealogy (Medieval Lands - Central France: Blois, Tours)" (2006-7 (v1.1 Updated 18 October 2006)) (https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CENTRAL FRANCE.htm).
[S918]	Cawley, Charles, "Foundation of Medieval Genealogy (Medieval Lands - Lower Lotharingian Nobility)" (2006-7 (v1.1 Updated 21 December 2006)).
[S1352]	Baldwin, Stewart, "The Henry Project - Heribert II" (January 24, 2011) (https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/herib002.htm).
[S2722]	Cawley, Charles, "Foundation of Medieval Genealogy (Medieval Lands - Northern France: Valois, Vexin & Vermandois)" (v4.5 Updated 25 June 2019) (https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm).
[S2727]	Cawley, Charles, "Foundation of Medieval Genealogy (Medieval Lands - France, Capetian Kings)" (v4.3 Updated 07 January 2020) (https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CAPET.htm).