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Herbert de Vermandois II, Count of Vermandois and Troyes
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Charles Cawley: 'Heribert II, Count of Vermandois is probably the son of Heribert I, Count of Vermandois. There is no direct contemporary evidence to support this claim, however it seems likely because Heribert II, is found in possession of Soissons and Vermandois the lands which were previously held by Heribert I. There is an onamastic connection as well. In the Flodoard Annales, Heribert II is said to have had a cousin (consobrinus) named Bernard ["..., et Heribertus comes Bernardum, consobrinum suum, cum aliis legatis consilium quod per illos agebatur, ut fertur, ignorantibus, ad Karolum dirigit."]. Heribert I had a brother named Bernard also. Another somewhat confusing source for this connection is an eleventh century Angevin genealogical table, in which Adèle de Troyes, wife of count Geoffroy Grisegonelle of Anjou, is called a daughter of Robert, son of Heribert, who was in turn son of another Heribert. Unfortunately, there is a serious error which undermines this source. A note accompanying Heribert I states that he was the captor of king Charles the Simple, which is not correct. It was his son Heribert II who was the captor. Since Heribert II had a son named Heribert, the exact nature of this mistake is not clear. Was Robert assigned as a son of his brother, or was the note describing which Heribert captured Charles incorrect.

Heribert's mother is not known. In the Historia Walciodorensis Monasterii a claim made that his mother was Berte. The Historia Walciodorensis Monasterii is a legendary account of the founder of Waulsort monastery, Ybert de Ribemont (Eilbertus, Elbertus), which makes him the brother of Heribert II. Eilbertus and comes Heribertus de Sancto Quintino are listed among the seven supposed sons of Ebroinus by his wife Berta, who brought Florennes to her husband as the daughter of Widricus and Eva. ["... Eius itaque pater comes Ebroinus fuit, vir armis strenuus. Hic armis strenuus et omni honestate preclarus. Iste igitur Ebroinus industria sua et virtute multa acquirens, filiam Wederici comitis et eius uxoris Evae, quae in nominis agnitione Berta nuncupabatur, sumpsit in coniugum, accipiens cum ea, dante ipso genitore atque genetrice, Florinas et quicquid ad eundem pagum Florinensem pertinet. ... Iste autem Ebroinus ex prefati comitis Wederici et eius uxoris Evae filia, quae, ut superius prefati sumus, Berta dicebatur, septem habuit filios, qui terram longe lateque post decessionem patris tenuerunt hereditario iure et sibi prudentia sua multa acquisierunt. ... Primus itaque in ordine generationis come Eilbertus fuit, maior et natu et dignitate, secundus post hunc comes Uddo de Roix, deinde comes Heribertus de Sancto Quintino, Gerardus de Odenarde, comes Boso, comes Witerus et Macuardus venerabilis episcopus. ... Igitur anno ab incarnatione Domini nongentisimo vicesimo secundo Karolus rex Francorum captus ab Eilberto et fratre eius Heriberto usque ad Pernam et ab eisdem sub vinculis carceralis custodiae ibidem diebus multis religatur. ..."]'.
Family
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FatherHerbert de Vermandois I, Count de Vermandois (~840-~907) [S756] [S2722] [S2727]
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Spouse 1stLiegarde of France (e887-) 
Child +Adela de Vermandois (~915-960) [S756] [S3164]
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Child +Robert de Vermandois, Count of Meaux and Troyes (~920-~968) [S756] [S2722]
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Child +Albert I, Count of Vermandois (~920-987) [S756] [S918]
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Child +Luitgarde de Vermandois (<925-) [S756] [S916] [S2722]
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Attributes
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GenderMale
NameHerbert de Vermandois II, Count of Vermandois and Troyes [S756]
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NameHeribert II, Count of Meaux [S1352]
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NameHeribert II, Comte de Vermandois [S916] [S918] [S2727]
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NameHeribert II, Comte de Vienne [S2722]
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FatherHerbert de Vermandois I, Count de Vermandois (~840-~907) [S756] [S2722] [S2727]
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TitleCount of Troyes [S756]
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ClaimDateDetailAgeEvidence
Birthabt 880France [S2722] [S2727]
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Birth 880 - 890France [S756]
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Title 900 - 907Count of Vermandois [S756] [S918] [S2722]
succeeded his father
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Title 900 - 907Count of Meaux [S2722]
succeeded his father
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Title 900 - 907Count of Soissons [S2722]
succeeded his father
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Marriage 1stbef May 21, 907Liegarde of France (e887-) [S2722] [S2727]
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DeathFeb 23, 943St. Quentin, France [S756] [S2722] [S2727]
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Sources
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[S756] Weis, Frederick Lewis, "Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists Who Came To New England before 1700, 7th Ed." (Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, 1999).
[S916] Cawley, Charles, "Foundation of Medieval Genealogy (Medieval Lands - Central France: Blois, Tours)" (2006-7 (v1.1 Updated 18 October 2006)) (https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CENTRAL FRANCE.htm).
[S918] Cawley, Charles, "Foundation of Medieval Genealogy (Medieval Lands - Lower Lotharingian Nobility)" (2006-7 (v1.1 Updated 21 December 2006)).
[S1352] Baldwin, Stewart, "The Henry Project - Heribert II" (January 24, 2011) (https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/herib002.htm).
[S2722] Cawley, Charles, "Foundation of Medieval Genealogy (Medieval Lands - Northern France: Valois, Vexin & Vermandois)" (v4.5 Updated 25 June 2019) (https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm).
[S2727] Cawley, Charles, "Foundation of Medieval Genealogy (Medieval Lands - France, Capetian Kings)" (v4.3 Updated 07 January 2020) (https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CAPET.htm).
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