Rohais de Clare - Greybeard's Ghosts

Family

Claim	Detail	Evidence
Father	Richard fitz Gilbert, Earl of Clare (e1034-<1090) [S696] [S2471]	research
Mother	Rohese Giffard (e1035-) [S2471]	research
Spouse	Eudo Dapifer (e1055-1120)
Child +	Marguerite de Rie (e1080-) [S2470] [S2471]	research

Attributes

Claim	Detail	Evidence
Gender	Female
Name	Rohais de Clare [S2470]	research
Name	Rohese [S2471]	research
Name	Rohais Giffard [S696]	memoir
Father	Richard fitz Gilbert, Earl of Clare (e1034-<1090) [S696] [S2471]	research
Mother	Rohese Giffard (e1035-) [S2471]	research

Timeline

Claim	Date	Detail	Age	Evidence
Birth	est 1056 (1051-1062)
Death	Jan 7, 1121	Le Bec, Normandy, France [S2471]		research

Sources

Index	Title
[S696]	Vivian, J. L. (comp.), "The Visitations of the County of Devon, Comprising the Herald's Visitations of 1531, 1564 and 1620" (Exeter: H. S. Eland, 1895) (https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Visitations_of_the_County_of_Devon.html).
[S2470]	K. S. B. KEATS-ROHAN, "Domesday Descendants: Some Corrigenda" (http://users.ox.ac.uk/~prosop/domesday-descendants-corrigenda.pdf).
[S2471]	Cawley, Charles, "Foundation of Medieval Genealogy (Medieval Lands - English Untitled Nobility P-S)" (v4.7 updated 06 June 2024) (https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3P-S.htm).

Note

Concering a possible marriage to Eudo Dapifer:

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2016-05/1462238621
From: Peter Stewart
Subject: Re: Eudo Dapifer and Rose fitz Richard de Clare
Date: Mon, 2 May 2016

> "... m ROHESE, daughter of RICHARD FitzGilbert de Brionne & his wife
> Rohese Giffard (-7 Jan 1121, bur Le Bec, Normandy[747] [Domesday
> Descendants, p. 400.]). "Eudo dapifer domini regis" founded Colchester
> St John, for the souls of King Henry I, Queen Matilda "...uxore mea
> Roaysia", by undated charter[748] [Colchester St John, Vol. I, p. 1.].
> Her parentage is confirmed by the undated charter under which "Rohais
> uxor Eudonis dapiferi" donated "manerium de Halingberi sicut dominus
> meus Eudo die qua vivus et mortuus fuit illud habebat" and land which
> "Gelebertus frater meus" gave her, for the souls of "Eudonis dapiferi
> mariti mei et Gilberti fratris mei"[749] [Colchester St John, Vol. I, p.
> 48. ], which is corroborated by the undated charter under which
> "Walterus filius Roberti" donated "terram de teia" to Colchester St.
> John, for the souls of "patris mei Roberti filii Ricardi et matris mee
> Matildis et...Rohaise amite mee que ecclesiam Sancti Johannis fundavit
> et fratrum suorum", to Colchester St. John[750] [Colchester St John,
> Vol. I, p. 165.]. ...

The trouble with evidence from Colchester charters is that many of them are not reliable - the cartulary was compiled in the 13th century and some documents were substituted in the 14th. In 1911 Armitage Robinson concluded that ' the compiler or compilers of these forgeries must have had a number of genuine documents, which, though insufficient for the purposes contemplated, furnished the necessary historical setting ' (*Gilbert Crispin, Abbot of Westminster* p. 166). The Clare family connection may be true, but evidence independent of St John's abbey would be needed to establish the facts beyond question. Simply quoting snippets from dubious charters without context, as in the Medieval Lands database [...], gives a false impression of certainty. The fact that the charter of Rohese does not call her brother Gilbert 'count' as in the foundation history, and the charter of Walter fitz Robert calling her his 'amita', suggest that these may be genuine documents, but these two sidelights are short of conclusive.

However

See K.S.B. Keats-Rohan, Domesday Descendants some Corrigenda, p. 1
http://users.ox.ac.uk/~prosop/domesday-descendants-corrigenda.pdf