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  • Author: Ravilious, John P.
  • Publisher: 11 Sep 2002
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  • GEN-MEDIEVAL-L: Wife of Hugh II de Gournay
  • Text: 1 Hugh IV de Gournay
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    Death: ca 1180[2]
    Occ: seigneur de Gournay
    Father: Gerard de Gournay (-ca1104)
    Mother: Edith de Warenne

    The two primary problems with a daughter of Hugh 'le maisne', Count of Vermandois being the mother of Hugh 'V' de Gournay:

    1. The onomastic evidence points toward Melisende as Hugh 'V's mother. His one known daughter, the wife of (1) Amauri de Montfort, count of Evreux, and (2) William de Cantelou/Cantilupe, was Millicent de Gournay.

    2. More importantly, Hugh 'le maisne' died on the First Crusade at Heraclea, October 1101. Given his departure from France (1100 as I recall), it is possible he might have had a daughter born in 1100/1101 during his absence (although not posthumous). However, for a daughter Beatrix or otherwise to have a
    child in 1148, when she would have been 47/48 years of age at the youngest, is not tenable.

    of Mapledurham, Oxon. and Caister, Norfolk; founded a chapter of the nuns of Fontevrault at Vallee de la Bataille, after 1130[2]

    rebelled against Henry I, pardoned ca. 1119 'acted as one of Henry's lieutenants in an effort to keep the peace in Normandy after the death of the king.', 1135[3]

    Spouse: Melisende de Coucy
    Father: Thomas de Coucy (-ca1131)
    Mother: Melisende de Crecy

    Children: Gerard (-ca1151)
    Hugh V (ca1148-1214)

    1.1 Gerard de Gournay
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    Death: ca 1151, d.v.p.[2]

    1.2 Hugh V de Gournay
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    Death: 25 Sep 1214[2]

    of Mapledurham, Oxon., and Caister, Norfolk assessed a fine of more than L~119 1180 (Pipe Roll xxix p. 19[2])

    received a grant of Wendover, Bucks. and Houghton, Beds. from King Stephen.
    Companion of Richard I on the Third Crusade; at the siege of Acre, 1190 (charter to the abbey of Bec confirmed by Richard I, 1190)

    opted for England at the pacification of Normandy, 1204 and had restoration of his lands in Norfolk
    and elsewhere by decree of King John, 1206[2]
    Sheriff of Bedfordshire and Buckinghamshire, 1214 resigned his lands to son Gerard, 1214[2]

    Dugdale indicates he died in 1221 (6 Hen. 3),
    'for then did the King direct his Precept to William de Cantilupe, to restore unto Hugh his Son (Girard being dead, as it seems) all the Lands of his Inheritance, then in his custody.'[4]

    Spouse: Juliana de Dammartin
    Father: Aubri II de Dammartin (-1200)
    Mother: Maud of Clermont (->1200)

    Children: Millicent (-1260)
    Gerard (->1213)
    Hugh VI (-1238)
    Anselm

    1.2.1a Millicent de Gournay*
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    she m. 1st Amauri de Montfort, Count of Evreux,
    2ndly William de Cantelou[5]

    Fine for her marriage by William de Cantelou 'senior', 2 Hen. III (Dugdale, citing Rot. Pip. 2 H. 3)[4]

    her maritagium included lands in Houghton, co. Beds. (fine in 4 Hen. 3 paid by William de Cantelou 'senior' for these lands)

    Spouse: William de Cantelou[5]
    Death: 22 Feb 1250[5]
    Birth: ? 1185
    Father: William de Cantelou (?1158-1239)
    Mother: Mesceline de Braci
    Marr: 1217[5],[4]

    Children: Juliana (->1285)
    William (-1254)
    Agnes
    Thomas (?1218-1282)
    Nicholas (-<1266)
    John (->1257)
    Hugh (->1260)

    Other Spouses Amauri de Montfort

    1.2.1b Millicent de Gournay* (See above)
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    Spouse: Amauri de Montfort
    Death: bef Nov 1213, d.s.p.[5]
    Father: Amauri de Montfort (-1191)
    Mother: Mabel of Gloucester
    Marr: bef 1204[5]

    Other Spouses William de Cantelou

    1.2.2 Gerard de Gournay
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    Death: aft 1213

    1.2.3a Hugh VI de Gournay*[5]
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    Death: 1238[2]
    Burial: Langley Abbey, Norfolk[2]

    of Mapledurham, Oxon.[5] and Caister, Norfolk evidently joined the baronial cause against King John (his lands transferred to William de Cantelou, 1218); had restoration of same ca. May 1222[2]

    stated by Dugdale to have married 'Lucy, the Daughter of Robert de Berkley' [Baronage, p. 430][4] - Noted in CP and elsewhere as actually being the widow of Robert de Berkeley[5],[6]

    Spouse: Matilda[2]

    Other Spouses Lucy

    1.2.3b Hugh VI de Gournay* (See above)
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    Spouse: Lucy
    Death: 18 Jan 1234[5]
    Marr: aft 13 May 1220[5]

    Children: Juliana (-<1295)

    Other Spouses Matilda

    1.2.4 Anselm de Gournay
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    ancestor of Gournay of Beverstone, co. Gloucs. & c.[4]

    2. "The Early History of Mapledurham," Alfred Hands Cooke, M.A., Sc.D., Oxfordshire Record Society, Oxford: Oxfordshire Record Society, 1925, *orig. cite by Timothy Powys-Lybbe, tim@powys.org [tim@southfrm.demon.co.uk].

    3. "Henry I," C. Warren Hollister, New Haven: Yale University Press, 2001, [English Monarchs Series].

    4. "The Baronage of England," William Dugdale, Norroy King of Arms, Tho. Newcomb [reprint Georg Verlag, New York], London, 1675 [reprint New York, 1977].

    5. "The Complete Peerage," G. E. Cokayne, 1910 - [microprint, 1982 (Alan Sutton) ], The Complete Peerage
    of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.

    6. John Carmi Parsons, "More Angevin Bastards," Sept 7, 1998, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com.
Personal Names
PersonClaimDetailEvidence
Aubry de Dammartin III, Count of DammartinNameAubri de Dammartin II [S1533] [S1534]
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Hugues de Gournay IVNameHugues de Gournay IV [S1533] [S1534] [S2611] [S2724]
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Mathilde de ClermontNameMaud of Clermont [S1533] [S1534]
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Melisende de CoucyNameMelisende de Coucy [S955] [S1533] [S1534] [S2611] [S2724]
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Mesceline de BraciNameMesceline de Braci [S1533] [S1534]
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Melisende de GournayNameMillicent de Gournay [S1533] [S1534]
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Renaud III Comte de ClermontNameRenaud II, of Clermont [S1533]
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William de Cantelou of CalneNameWilliam de Cantelou [S1533] [S1534]
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William de Cantilupe, Sheriff of Warwick and LeicesterNameWilliam de Cantelou [S1533] [S1534]
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William de Cantilupe, Sheriff of Warwick and LeicesterNameWilliam de Cantelou , Senior [S1533]
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Events & Attributes
PersonClaimDateDetailAgeEvidence
Hugues de Gournay IVFlourishedabt 1119 [S1533] [S1534]
pardoned by King Henry I
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Renaud III Comte de ClermontDeathbef 1162 [S1533]
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Hugues de Gournay IVDeath1180 [S1533] [S1534] [S2611] [S2724] 86y
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Hugues de Gournay VMilitary1190Acre, Palestine [S1533] [S1534]
companion of Richard I on Third Crusade
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Mathilde de ClermontLivingOct 1200 [S756] [S956] [S1533] [S1534]
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Melisende de GournayMarriage 1stbef 1203/04 [S1533]
Amaury de Montfort IV, Earl of Gloucester, Count of Evereux (d. bef Nov 1213)
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Hugues de Gournay VDeathSep 25, 1214 [S1533] [S1534] [S2611] 66y
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William de Cantelou of CalneMarriageabt Mar 15, 1217Melisende de Gournay [S1533] [S1534] [S2611] [S3168]
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William de Cantelou of CalneDeathFeb 22, 1250/51 [S775:XIIB.24] [S1533] [S1534] [S3168] 65y
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Hugues de Gournay VPosition [S1533]
Sheriff of Bedfordshire
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Hugues de Gournay VPosition [S1533]
Sheriff of Buckingham
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Hugues de Gournay IVTitleSeigneur of Gournay [S1533] [S1534]
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