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Hugues II, Count of Maine
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Stewart Baldwin: "The commonly made assertion that he was a son of count Hugues I is undocumented"

Charles Cawley: "The only reasonably certain information concerning the father of Comte Hugues [II] is his estimated birth date range, as explained further below, which indicates that he may have been the son of Comte Hugues [I] [who was son of Roger, Count of Maine and Rothildis, the daughter of Charles II, King of France]. His name is the subject of controversy. A series of apparently spurious charters names "David" as the father of Hugues [II] Comte du Maine, for example "Hugo, David filius, comes Cenomannorum" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Pierre-de-la-Cour du Mans for the soul of "meique genitoris David et genitricis mee E" by charter dated to [971/997], subscribed by "Hugo filius meus". In addition, Robert de Torigny records that "Gaufridus comes Perticensis et David comes Cenomannensis" rebelled against "Roberto regi Francorum", after which the king granted Maine to "Gaufrido Grisagonella". According to Latouche, this alleged incident is based on a recital contained in De majoratu et senescalcia FranciƦ, written in [1158] by Hugue de Clers possibly to add legitimacy to the possession of the county of Maine at that time by the counts of Anjou. The story is anachronistic as Geoffroy "Grisegonelle" was comte d'Anjou from 958 to 987, whereas Robert II King of France succeeded in 996 (installed as associate king in Dec 987). It is also difficult to identify "Gaufridus comes Perticensis". It is of course possible that the report contains some essence of truth but is garbled, and that the alleged rebellion (if it did take place) was against Hugues Capet King of France (father of King Robert II). In any case, it would be bold to assert the complete impossibility of the text being based on an earlier source, and insufficient detail is known about all events in Maine and Anjou during the 10th century to dismiss the report entirely. The existence of David has generally been treated with scepticism. Charters dated 929, 931, 955, 960, 967, 971, 976 and 994 all name "Hugues" as comte du Maine, referring presumably to Comte Hugues [I] and Comte Hugues [II] although the date of the transition from the one to the other is not known. The intervals between any of these dates, during which a "Comte David" could have ruled Maine, are short, although it is not impossible that David died soon after succeeding to the county. The other difficulty is deciding the parentage of the father of Comte Hugues [II]. An interesting possibility emerges if we assign estimated birth date ranges to the known counts of Maine in the line from Hugues [I] (who was born in [890], a relatively certain date as shown above) to Hugues [IV] (born [1018/22], also relatively certain). Working backwards from Hugues [IV], his father must have been born in [990/1000], and his grandfather in [960/75]. The possible ranges widen the further back we work through Hugues [IV]'s ancestors, but it can be seen that Hugues [II], who was Hugues [IV]'s great-grandfather, could have been born during the period [930/50]. This is rather later than would be expected assuming that Hugues [II] belonged to the generation which followed Hugues [I]. A missing generation is therefore possible in the generally proposed genealogy of the 10th century counts of Maine. The supposed count David would fill this gap, possibly as the son either of Hugues [I] or of an otherwise unknown brother of the latter. If David did not exist, the generational gap still applies, which suggests the alternative possibility that there were three counts named Hugues during the period 929/994 not two as has been generally accepted. If the documentation relating to David is a complete fabrication, the name is an odd choice to convince contemporary readers of its authenticity, as "David" was not typically found in France during the 10th century (no other example has been noted during the course of the present research). Nevertheless, if David had existed, it would be expected that his name would be repeated among Hugues's descendants, which is not the case among those family members who can be identified from primary source documentation (although the same could also be said of the name "Roger", the name of Hugues [I]'s father). It is unlikely that this puzzle can ever be unravelled completely to everyone's satisfaction, but at least this discussion shows that something does not fit in the generally accepted genealogy of the 10th century counts of Maine, the existence of David as a historical individual being one solution to fill the gap."

Charles Cawley: "It is clear from the dates of the documents in which Hugues [II] is named that he must have been a different person from Hugues [I]. The parentage of Hugues [II] is not known with certainty. A series of documents names "David" as his father, for example "Hugo, David filius, comes Cenomannorum" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Pierre-de-la-Cour du Mans for the soul of "meique genitoris David et genitricis mee E" by charter dated to [971/997], subscribed by "Hugo filius meus". ... If David did not exist, it is likely that Comte Hugues [II] was either the son of Comte Hugues [I] or of another otherwise unidentified Comte Hugues."
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Child +Hugues III Count of Maine (~970-~1016) [S965]
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NameHugues II, Count of Maine [S1471]
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NameHugues du Maine II [S965]
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TitleCount of Maine [S965]
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Timeline
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Birth 930 - 940France [S965]
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Deathbef Dec 992 [S965]
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Sources
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[S965] Cawley, Charles, "Foundation of Medieval Genealogy (Medieval Lands - Maine: Counts)" (2006-7) (https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MAINE.htm).
[S1471] Baldwin, Stewart, "The Henry Project - Hugues II" (July 10, 2008) (https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/hugh0002.htm).
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