Helias de Say, Lord of Clun - Greybeard's Ghosts

Commentary

Cawley: "Eyton suggests that Elias was “probably son and heir of Henry” de Say (no source citation). According to Domesday Descendants, he was "brother and successor" [1140] of Henry de Say of Clun. The chronology suggests the improbabilty of Elias being Henry’s brother if it is correct, as suggested above, that Henry de Say was a child in [1060], bearing in mind the date of the first marriage of Elias’s daughter Isabel. If her first marriage is correctly dated to [1153/54], and her birth consequently dated to [1135/40], it even seems likely that her father could have been Henry’s grandson. Further speculation about the precise family relationship must await the emergence of more source documents. "

Family

Claim	Detail	Evidence
Child +	Isabel de Say (~1135-1199) [S925] [S1638] [S3169]	research

Attributes

Claim	Detail	Evidence
Gender	Male
Name	Helias de Say , Lord of Clun [S925] [S1638]	research
Name	Elias de Say , Lord of Clun [S925] [S1638] [S3169]	research

Timeline

Claim	Date	Detail	Age	Evidence
Birth	est 1097 (1081-1114)
Death	bef 1161	[S3169]		research

Sources

Index	Title
[S925]	Cawley, Charles, "Foundation of Medieval Genealogy (Medieval Lands - England Earls 1138-1143)" (2006-7 (v.1.1 Updated 26 Jun 2006 )).
[S1638]	"Some Corrections and Additions to the Complete Peerage" (http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/index.shtml).
[S3169]	Cawley, Charles, "Foundation of Medieval Genealogy (Medieval Lands - English Lords, P-S)" (v4.7 Updated 10 June 2024) (https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3P-S.htm).