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Bearman "Charters of the Redvers Family" discusses briefly the early origins of the Redver family who's home base was Reviers, Calvadas, arr Caen cant Creully. Stapleton claimed that there were three brothers Richard, William, and Baldwin according to a 1060 Charter. Richard died 1060, and he theorised that Richard de Redvers, the favored counsellor of Henry Ist, was a son of Baldwin.

Presumably Stapleton was aware of Charter 1258 (CDF) issued 1060 in which Landri Abbot of St Pere (Chartres) recorded a gift by Richard (Knight). Witness: Raber and William de Vernon.

It would appear that Richard de Redvers was an adult in 1060, so it is quite reasonable to assume that prior to his death that he had married and had children. On that basis there was no need of Stapleton to arrive at a rather questionable claim that Richard de Redvers, his sister Adeliz, and brother Hugh were the children of Baldwin.

On the premis that they were in fact Richard's children, they would have all been born prior to 1060. It is known that Richard de Redvers must have married Adelise Peverel 1086-1088, and died premature in 1107. Adelicia married Richard de Angerville, and her brother Richard confirmed that the land at Benouville granted to Montebourg Abbey was the land of his sister.

The parents of the three brothers Richard, William, and Baldwin requires further investigation. The common name usage of both Vernon and Redvers suggests a family connection. Keats Rohan suggests that perhaps Hugh de Vernon and wife (daughter of Fulk Fitz Osbern, who's mother Sateselina was a niece of the Norman duchess Gunnor) were the parents.

Charter 82 (CDF) dated 1067 Notification by William de Vernon (son) Hugh and wife Emma of agreement made and to the Abbot Rainer in Vernon Milt Place to receive fellowship of Abbey Holy Trinity Rouen, freedom of toll of property including castle of Vernon. Witness:
William and Emma.

Is this William de Vernon one of the three brothers or not?

Bearman claims that the Revier Estate 1089 centred in Nehou (Contentin) and Vernon (Vexin), so it is quite likely that the Charter 82 William de Vernon was one of the three brothers, and that Hugh Vernon and wife Emma were the parents.

Sincerely Yours,

Paul Bulkley

paul bulkley wrote:
> It would appear that Richard de Redvers was an adult
> in 1060, so it is quite reasonable to assume that
> prior to his death that he had married and had
> children.

Except that it appears from contemporary material that he had no children. Everyone seems in agreement on this.

> Keats Rohan suggests that perhaps
> Hugh de Vernon and wife (daughter of Fulk Fitz Osbern,
> who's mother Sateselina was a niece of the Norman
> duchess Gunnor) were the parents.

In DP she says this. In her Notts. Medieval Studies article, she says that the mother was a sister of Fulk. I think she has made a msitake in DP.

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