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Jimena Muñoz
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Cawley: "The precise parentage of Jimena Muñoz has been the subject of considerable debate over recent years. The common connection with Ulver, where she was recorded, appears conclusive in determining that she was closely related to Munio Muñoz who was also recorded in the same castle. Her birth date, estimated from her having given birth to two children in the early 1080s, suggests that she was his daughter rather than his sister (assuming that Munio´s parents are correctly identified as Munio Rodríguez and Jimena Ordóñez)."
Farmerie: "What is known is that Jimena bore the patronym Munoz, meaning she was daughter of someone named Munio. She was called "most noble" and she was of royal descent. She appears to be the Jimena Munoz who was given lands in Ulver after she was put aside. That Jimena appears in a charter with Munio Munoz, and this led Quintana Prieto to the hypothesis that she was daughter of this Munio Munoz. One problem with this is that there are two known men named Munio Munoz. One is prominent, but there are charters that appear to name all his children and Jimena is not among them. The other is obscure, not likely described as 'most noble' (unless this is a case of protesting too much - that she was called 'most noble' to spackle over the fact that her family were just lowly local landholders). The other problem is that Munio Munoz could just as well have been Jimena's brother (his father was also named Munio), or even unrelated as Munio was not an uncommon name. Quintana Prieto would later suggest that Jimena could have been sister of Pedro Nunez, Bishop of Astorga, but there is reason to believe that the Bishop is to be identified with a Pedro Munoz, son of Munio Gonzalez. Independent of this, Canal Sanchez-Pagin started from scratch and looked for a place in the high nobility that fit chronology. He identified three prominent counts named Munio. One was the Munio Rodrigues who married Vermudo's granddaughter, One was Munio Rodriguez 'Canis', and the third was count Munio Gonzalez. He concluded that the first two could be eliminated based on chronology and the body of charters, and that left the last, who was also fathe rof the premier nobleman of the kingdom, Rodrigo Munoz. (Canal also gave them two brothers, Gonzalo Munoz, whom he identified with the Lara founder Gonzalo Nunez, but this has not been followed by later writers, and Munio Munoz of the charter, whom Szabolcs de Vajay then showed as father of Rodrigo Munoz de Guzman, an unlikely link.) The version that appears in Spanish Wikipedia is simply taken from Medieval Lands, where Charles Cawley has arbitrarily chosen to ignore Canal and Salazar y Acha (see later) and follow Vaz de Mello, whom I have not seen, but who appears to have made the reasonable identification of Quintana Prieto's Munio Munoz and Velasquita with the Munio Munoz and Velasquita who name 'our father Munio Rodriguez and our mother Jimena"' then identifying this couple with the with the [sic] well-known count and his wife Jimena Ordonez. The problem with this is that 'our father' and 'our mother' could either be Munio's parents or Velasquita's (or even one of each, but this is unlikely) and we know that Velasquita also had the patronym Munoz, so it is a distinct possibility that they were her parents instead. Salazar y Acha is the latest to contribute a solution. He follows Canal in making Jimena the daughter of count Munio Gonzalez by his wife (Munia, if I recall correctly) and makes him brother-in-law of Munio Munoz - that Munio Gonzalez and Munio Munoz married sisters, and that Jimena was niece of Velasquita, wife of Munio Munoz, and that it was Velasquita who was daughter of Munio Rodriguez and Jimena (whom he does not identify with the royal granddaughter, again if I recall correctly). The true take-home message is that anyone who thinks the question is solved isn't paying attention. All we really have to go on is the patronym and there were too many people named Munio or Munoz."
Family
ClaimDetailEvidence
mistressAlfonso VI, King of Castile & León (~1038-1109) 
Child +Teresa Queen of Portugal (~1079-1130) [S756] [S931]
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Attributes
ClaimDetailEvidence
GenderFemale
NameJimena Muñoz [S931] [S3189]
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NameXimena Nunia de Guzman [S756]
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Timeline
ClaimDateDetailAgeEvidence
Birthest 1048 (1048-1056)
 
Mistressabt 1079 [S931]
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Death1128 [S931]
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Sources
IndexTitle
[S756] Weis, Frederick Lewis, "Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists Who Came To New England before 1700, 7th Ed." (Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, 1999).
[S931] Cawley, Charles, "Foundation of Medieval Genealogy (Medieval Lands - Kings of Castille & Leon)" (2006-7 (v1.2 Updated 25 August 2007)) (https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CASTILE.htm).
[S3189] Cawley, Charles, "Foundation of Medieval Genealogy (Medieval Lands - Galacia)" (https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/Galicia.htm).
Note
Todd Farmerie posted to the GEN-MEDIEVAL-L mailing list [ http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2013-02/1361232980 ] in response to a question about her parentage, the following message:

"Subject: Re: Genealogics Correction? - Jimena, concubine of Alfonso VI
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 16:16:20 -0800

What is known is that Jimena bore the patronym Munoz, meaning she was daughter of someone named Munio. She was called "most noble" and she was of royal descent. She appears to be the Jimena Munoz who was given lands in Ulver after she was put aside. That Jimena appears in a charter with Munio Munoz, and this led Quintana Prieto to the hypothesis that she was daughter of this Munio Munoz. One problem with this is that there are two known men named Munio Munoz. One is prominent, but there are charters that appear to name all his children and Jimena is not among them. The other is obscure, not likely described as 'most noble' (unless this is a case of protesting too much - that she was called 'most noble' to spackle over the fact that her family were just lowly local landholders). The other problem is that Munio Munoz could just as well have been Jimena's brother (his father was also named Munio), or even unrelated as Munio was not an uncommon name. Quintana Prieto would later suggest that Jimena could have been sister of Pedro Nunez, Bishop of Astorga, but there is reason to believe that the Bishop is to be identified with a Pedro Munoz, son of Munio Gonzalez.

Independent of this, Canal Sanchez-Pagin started from scratch and looked for a place in the high nobility that fit chronology. He identified three prominent counts named Munio. One was the Munio Rodrigues who married Vermudo's granddaughter, One was Munio Rodriguez 'Canis', and the third was count Munio Gonzalez. He concluded that the first two could be eliminated based on chronology and the body of charters, and that left the last, who was also fathe rof the premier nobleman of the kingdom, Rodrigo Munoz. (Canal also gave them two brothers, Gonzalo Munoz, whom he identified with the Lara founder Gonzalo Nunez, but this has not been followed by later writers, and Munio Munoz of the charter, whom Szabolcs de Vajay then showed as father of Rodrigo Munoz de Guzman, an unlikely link.)

The version that appears in Spanish Wikipedia is simply taken from Medieval Lands, where Charles Cawley has arbitrarily chosen to ignore Canal and Salazar y Acha (see later) and follow Vaz de Mello, whom I have not seen, but who appears to have made the reasonable identification of Quintana Prieto's Munio Munoz and Velasquita with the Munio Munoz and Velasquita who name 'our father Munio Rodriguez and our mother Jimena"' then identifying this couple with the with the [sic] well-known count and his wife Jimena Ordonez. The problem with this is that 'our father' and 'our mother' could either be Munio's parents or Velasquita's (or even one of each, but this is unlikely) and we know that Velasquita also had the patronym Munoz, so it is a distinct possibility that they were her parents instead.

Salazar y Acha is the latest to contribute a solution. He follows Canal in making Jimena the daughter of count Munio Gonzalez by his wife (Munia, if I recall correctly) and makes him brother-in-law of Munio Munoz - that Munio Gonzalez and Munio Munoz married sisters, and that Jimena was niece of Velasquita, wife of Munio Munoz, and that it was Velasquita who was daughter of Munio Rodriguez and Jimena (whom he does not identify with the royal granddaughter, again if I recall correctly).

The true take-home message is that anyone who thinks the question is solved isn't paying attention. All we really have to go on is the patronym and there were too many people named Munio or Munoz."
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