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Ermengarde of Auvergne
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Charles Cawley suggests that she may be the daughter of GUILLAUME [IV] Comte d'Auvergne & his wife Humberge de Brioude. Quotes: There is doubt about Humberge's parentage, but she may have been HUMBERGE, daughter of ETIENNE de Brioude & his second wife Adelais [Blanche] d’Anjou, a hypothesis which appears to provide a good solution to various chronological difficulties posed by references in different primary sources. The Flandria Generosa names "Ermengardis comitissa Arvenensis" as sister of "Constantia regina Francorum", when outlining the basis for the consanguinity between their great-great-grandchildren, Baudouin VII Count of Flanders and [Hawise] de Bretagne, which provided the grounds for the couple's separation. It has been assumed in many secondary sources that this passage means that "Ermengarde" was the full sister of Queen Constance (who was the third wife of Robert II King of France) and therefore that she was the daughter of Guillaume [II] Comte de Provence by his second marriage to Adelais d'Anjou. However, this is chronologically impossible. The marriage of "Ermengarde's" daughter, also named Ermengarde, to Eudes II Comte de Blois, is dated to 1005 according to the Chronicle of Alberic de Trois Fontaines. Even if this date is inaccurate, the estimated birth date of Ermengarde junior's eldest son is [1010], and the marriage of her daughter is dated to 1018 (although the chronology suggests that this may have been an infant betrothal or marriage). Assuming that there is a degree of accuracy in these three dates, the daughter of "Ermengarde" Ctss d'Auvergne could not have been born later than [995] at the latest. This places the birth of "Ermengarde" senior to [980] at the very latest, about five years before Adelais's marriage to Guillaume Comte de Provence. Given that Adelais's third marriage to Louis V King of the West Franks was childless, and her second marriage to Raymond IV Comte de Toulouse was brief, it is therefore most likely that "Ermengarde" was Adelais's daughter by her first marriage to Etienne de Brioude. Some corroboration for this hypothesis is found in the charter dated 1011 under which "Poncius comes Gabalitanensis" (who was the son of Adelais d'Anjou by her marriage to Etienne de Brioude) donated property to Saint-Julien de Brioude, for the souls of "genitorum suorum Stephani et Alais et uxoris eius Theotbergæ et filiorum eius Stephani et Poncii vel fratrum eius Bertrandi et Willelmus et nepotum eius Stephani, Rotberti et Willelmi", by charter dated Feb [1010], signed by "Roberti vicecomitis, Willelmi fratris eius…". In this scenario, Etienne, Robert and Guillaume would be the sons of Pons's full sister "Ermengarde" Ctss d'Auvergne. However, this raises yet more difficulties. The secondary sources also assume that "Ermengarde's" husband was Robert [I] Comte d'Auvergne. However, the only known son of Comte Robert [I] was Guillaume [V] Comte d'Auvergne. Assuming that the "nepotes" of Comte Pons are named in order of seniority in the 1011 charter, "Vuillelmi" would have been the youngest brother. No other reference has been to found to his assumed older brothers Etienne and Robert. In any case, it is unlikely that Guillaume [V] Comte d'Auvergne would have been born much before [995/1000] for consistency with the dates of his marriage and his death. If this is correct, it would raise doubts about the use of the title "vicecomes" in the 1011 charter, as their father would still have been at the height of his power. All these difficulties would be solved if the "nepotes" of Comte Pons were in fact the three known sons of Guillaume [IV] Comte d'Auvergne, not of Robert [I] Comte d'Auvergne. If this is correct, "Ermengarde" would in fact have been "Humberge", who is named in other primary sources as the wife of Comte Guillaume. ... Less chronological difficulties result if Ermengarde d'Auvergne was in fact the daughter of Guillaume [IV] Comte d'Auvergne and his wife Humberge, although this is not without doubt.
Family
ClaimDetailEvidence
SpouseEudes de Blois II, Count of Blois (983-1037) 
Child +Berthe de Blois (e1006-1085) [S756] [S916]
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Child +Thibaut III, Count of Blois (~1010-1089) [S756] [S916] [S965]
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Attributes
ClaimDetailEvidence
GenderFemale
NameErmengarde of Auvergne [S756]
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NameErmengarde d'Auvergne [S903] [S916] [S965]
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Timeline
ClaimDateDetailAgeEvidence
Birthest 985 (985-987)
 
Living996 [S903]
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Marriage1005Eudes de Blois II, Count of Blois (983-1037) [S903] [S916]
Charles Cawley: The date of Ermengarde's marriage is fixed by the Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines which names "comitissam Turonensem Ermengardem" as wife of "Odonem Campaniensem comitem" when recording in 1005 their joint restoration of "Turonis maioris monasterii"
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Marriageabt 1010Eudes de Blois II, Count of Blois (983-1037)
Charles Cawley: The date of Ermengarde's marriage is fixed by the Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines which names "comitissam Turonensem Ermengardem" as wife of "Odonem Campaniensem comitem" when recording in 1005 their joint restoration of "Turonis maioris monasterii"
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Living1042 [S903]
Weis says she died in 1040
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Sources
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[S756] Weis, Frederick Lewis, "Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists Who Came To New England before 1700, 7th Ed." (Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, 1999).
[S903] Cawley, Charles, "Foundation of Medieval Genealogy (Medieval Lands - Aquitaine Nobility)" (2006-7 (v1.4 Updated 18 July 2007)) (https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/AQUITAINE NOBILITY.htm).
[S916] Cawley, Charles, "Foundation of Medieval Genealogy (Medieval Lands - Central France: Blois, Tours)" (2006-7 (v1.1 Updated 18 October 2006)) (https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CENTRAL FRANCE.htm).
[S965] Cawley, Charles, "Foundation of Medieval Genealogy (Medieval Lands - Maine: Counts)" (2006-7) (https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MAINE.htm).
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