Weis says 904, but Cawley says "the identity of the husband of Richilde, and father of Thibaut [II] and Richard, is confirmed by the charter dated to [944] under which "le comte Thibault père de Thibault" relinquished rights relating to "les terres de Vancé, de Joué, de Martigny et de Berthenay" to Tours Saint-Martin and paid for his future burial in the abbey."